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Tuesday, August 07, 2007

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HP Compaq 2710p Tablet PC - Reader Review - Sierra

- Matt Faulkner

Introducing forum member - Sierra - You have the helm!!

I recently decided to go back to school for my Masters degree, so naturally I started thinking about what Tablet PC I could use. I did some research and didn’t really find anything that excited me – until I saw the HP Compaq 2710p. I have always loved my HP Compaq TC1100 and this new Tablet PC seemed to have some of the features that I love from that system. The morning it became available, I bought it. J

Review System Specifications

  • HP Compaq 2710p Notebook PC (RM272UT) ~ $1750 (on special until Aug 31)
  • Intel® Core™2 Duo ULV processor U7600 1.20 GHz 2 MB L2 cache 533 MHz front side bus
  • 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
  • 100 GB 4200 rpm SMART PATA
  • 12.1 in Illumi-Lite, WXGA UWVA, anti-glare with Digitizer
  • Integrated 2 MP camera (1600 x 1200 max resolution)
  • 1 Express Card/54
    1 secure digital
  • 11.42 x 8.35 x 1.11 in (290.00 x 212.00 x 28.20 mm)
  • 3.7 lb (1.68 kg)

Unboxing first impressions

The box was small and light and there just wasn’t much in there.

However, everything I needed was present. One surprise was that it came with a full license of OneNote 2007. Although I had planned to install OneNote already, it was nice to have the full license already there. Also great for anyone getting a Tablet PC for the first time.

One feature that I loved about my TC1100 was the battery meter right on the battery. It’s great to be able to see how much battery life I have without booting the PC. The 2710p has retained this feature and even made it prettier.

There is a small button on the back of the battery that you push and it lights up a meter that is easy to read.

When I powered on for the first time, I was curious what my Out-of-Box-Experience would be like since I knew I had the option of Windows Vista 32-bit or Vista 64-bit. When I powered on, it asked me which OS I wanted. Personally, I selected 32-bit due to compatibility issues with some of my work apps. It basically started installing the OS at that point. It took 1 hour 15 minutes to get to the usable desktop for the first time. It was a relatively unattended process and required at least 3 reboots but minimal interaction.

Once I got to the desktop, it was beautiful. The screen is bright and easy to read. These pictures do NOT do it justice. I need to figure out how to take better pictures.

Screen and Parallax

A lot of people worry about the parallax on screen. I will confess that it has rarely been an irritant for me, but I really tried to measure and compare for your benefit. Based entirely on my subjective readings, the 2710p appears to be one of the best. It was less then the parallax on my P1610 and about the same to less then the parallax on the TC1100. To give a guesstimate, about 1-1.5mm. I don’t know how to measure it really, but that’s my best guess.

As for the screen itself – beautiful. Bright, clear and the most smudge-proof screen I’ve ever used. I’ve never taken a microfiber cloth to it yet and it still looks like new – no fingerprints, no smudges. When it gets dusty, I just lightly wipe off the dust with my hand (!) and it doesn’t even smudge then. Just to test, I firmly planted my thumbprint on the screen. I can see it there. I lightly brush it with my hand and it is gone. No smudge. This will save me hours of cleaning. J

The screen used LED backlights. The backlighting is so even that I can’t tell how it is done. My husband is an optical engineer and he lusts after my LED backlights. J The viewing angle is as good or better than any system I’ve used before, probably 170 degrees or so. I don’t believe anything is really 180 degree viewing angle. This is very easy on the eyes and rarely do I need it at max brightness.

It uses a Wacom Digitizer.

Speed and Responsiveness

The system is fast. I can’t really do an apples-to-apples comparison because I don’t have another Windows Vista system, but compared to my TC1000 (1.1Ghz, 1GB) and my P1610 (1.2Ghz, 1GB), the 2710p seems significantly more responsive. That said, I’ve had the CPU and memory gadget running and it uses much more CPU processing power and memory than I anticipated. With my usual setup open (Outlook, OneNote, couple of IE, and usually Excel) I’m running at about 25% CPU used and about 1GB of memory used. Since I have 2GB of memory, that’s okay, but more than I expected based on my Vista experienced before.

That said, I haven’t had to wait on anything. It’s been really nice. I know that people are concerned with the 4200rpm hard drive – truth be told, I was annoyed at that too. But I have the 100GB drive and it seems to be as fast as I require. I’m no gamer – PowerPoint and OneNote are my power apps. J But I’m very happy with how well it has performed. It blows the socks off my TC1100 at opening IE7 and Office 2007 apps. (I don’t have IE7 or Office 2007 on the P1610 – work rules).

Touchy-feely stuff

The 2710p really works as a slate. I’ve had a number of slates in my past (and present) but I need a keyboard too frequently to go slate only again. L This is a sweet compromise. The hinge bulge exactly fits my hand and gives me a nice grip to hold on to.

The weight distribution is excellent. There are no heavy spots and it seems to cradle nicely in my arms.

The back is nice and smooth and the plastic on the back is very soft, kind of suede-like. It has never felt too hot. My P1610 feels much hotter, as does my TC1100 in slate mode with no keyboard.

I was never a big button person, so I don’t miss the buttons at all. The two I used, I still have – Control-Alt-Del and Screen Rotate. The buttons are recessed and pen based; you stick your pen into a small hole to push the button. They work fine, but they’re only accessible in slate mode since they’re on the hinge side. The Q Menu button on the top edge takes care of my other needs, like brightness.

Also visible in this picture are the touch controls for Volume, Mute, and Presentation Mode. More on those later.

Battery Life

Very good. I did a test of battery life in my Saturday class. My exact usage was:

Settings: Brightness at ~50%, WiFi on and connected, Bluetooth on

  • 8:50 Power on from hibernate. Battery reporting 98%, 3:45 remaining
  • 9:28 Standby
  • 10:09 Resume
  • 11:33 still on, Battery reporting 43%, 1:43 remaining
  • 12:10 Standby
  • 12:53 Resume, battery reporting 29% 1:20 remaining
  • 1:32 Battery reporting 14%, 32 min remaining
  • 1:41 10% warning, plugged it in
  • 2:23 Recharging, battery reporting 51%. Brightness at 100% since it’s plugged in
  • 3:17 Battery reporting 96%

So I had about 3 hours 10 minutes of actual battery usage plus about an hour of standby. That was with barely battery conserving settings. I had WiFi on and was using it and Bluetooth was on but not connected. Screen brightness at 50% was plenty bright enough for a classroom – in fact on Monday’s class I turned it down a bit.

The really nice thing is how fast it recharges. I got back to 50% in only about 40 minutes and nearly a full charge in an hour and a half. That’s handy. My P1610 takes forever to charge.

Input devices

Keyboard: I dislike full size keyboards. The 2710p has a full size keyboard. Given that background, it is the least objectionable full size keyboard I’ve come across. The keys depress well. It’s an exceptionally quiet keyboard. I don’t hear myself typing. That’s a nice feature. I love the brushed aluminum surround.

Trackpoint: I also don’t like the “eraser” style mouse device. Give me a trackpad anyday! However, they did a good job with this one. The eraser on my P1610 gives my fits and I hate it. This one isn’t too bad. The actual eraser is a cup style and it seems to be more responsive, without being too responsive. It walks the line well.

Pen: It’s a bit short, but feels good and has a decent diameter. Has an eraser end and a side button as well as a pen clip. The pen garage is my biggest complaint. It’s the kind where you push in the pen and it pops out, just like on the TC1100, except that this one seems to get confused sometimes and doesn’t like to push in right. Sometimes when I’m putting the pen back I have to push it in 3 or 4 times before it seats properly. However, it has never come out at the wrong time like the TC1100 pen used to do

Noise

It is a real fan, so this is not totally quiet. It was only noisy when it was installing the OS during the first power on. Since then, the fan has run, but ambient noise has always been at least as noisy, even in my classroom. Quieter than my TC1100, probably about the same as the P1610.

Fingerprint reader

Works great. I had a little difficulty getting used to having it on the side of the screen, but it works fine. The software seems at least as good as Omnipass.

Camera

I’ve only used it to read business cards, but what a whiz-bang feature! Takes beautiful shots of business cards and imports directly into a card app, which will then export into Outlook. Very slick and very easy to use. Worked on all of the cards I tested except the Japanese one. J Even on the Japanese card, it got the company and the email address, so I was impressed. I’m going to try to find someone with whom I can try the video conferencing. Maybe Rob, once he gets his 2710p. J

Miscellaneous

The keyboard light is a cute feature, although I don’t really know how much I’ll use it. It feels just a bit fragile when you push it in.



Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:32:07 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Thanks for the informative review. The smudge proof screen is what I lust for!
Nearly rolled off the bed when I read:

"My husband is an optical engineer and he lusts after my LED backlights"

Ed Bolton
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:06:20 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Hmm... X60 and X61 may still be the better alternatives. But thank you for your kind reviews :)
Willy
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:11:00 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
By the way, do you use a lot of tablet or more on keyboard?
Willy
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:10:15 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
How exciting! I'm on the front page.

Willy - I use about 50/50 keyboard and slate currently, so I need both to work well.

If anyone has any questions, let me known over on the forums and I'll try to answer.
Sierra
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:44:53 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I know that the TC1100 is great. This 2710p seems great as well, I do dig the LED, but any other reason to get this say over the IBM or Fujitsu?
Jimmy
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:22:50 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
You must be kidding by giving such a good review. The tablet looks pretty ugly both in specs and in asthetics (from at least the pictures)

For folks coming w/ X61, it doesn't even come close... decide for yourself...

proc: L7500 1.6GHz v/s U7600 1.20 GHz
4 MB L2 cache v/s 2 MB L2 cache
800 MHz FSB v/s 533 MHz FSB

hdd: 100GB 7200 rpm SATA v/s 100 GB 4200 rpm SMART PATA
also, I would recommend just order the smallest drive from Lenovo and pop in the new 7k200 200 GB, and you will have the best light weight tablet in terms of chipset and memory bandwidth performance combination that exists as of today... and go wonder, this new hdd is better on power too.

screen: SXGA+ or MV/MT options v/s WXGA!!

asthetics: the classy titanium look (YES, all black!) v/s that cheap gateway silver color look! seems one just came out of walmart holding that thingy! and whats with that funny looking font used on keys!!

options of 802.11n, vzn/sprint wwan are a plus in X61. I'm not sure whether they are available for HP.

yes, hp has a cam as an extra but you must be kidding to pay more than X61 for this machine whose specs looks atleast half a generation back (if not full).
umustbekiddin
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:40:41 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
How many of you people complaining about this review and deriding this new computer own either the 2710p or the X61?

My guess based on his comments is that umustbekiddin works for a different tablet manufacturer (Lenovo probably) and feels threatened by all the positive reviews starting to appear about the new HP tablet. It's either that or he's just purchased an X61 and he feels the need to justify/rationalize his purchase.

What everyone should keep in mind is that computers are simply tools that allow us to accomplish various tasks. Certain tools are more appropriate for certain tasks. In this case the HP is smaller, lighter, and has features (CPU, LED Screen, HDD) geared towards longer battery life than the Lenovo. This will make it more attractive to road warriors who value these things. The HP also features a docking station and extended battery that is much more elegant and portable than the Lenovo offering. The Lenovo is certainly a top of the line tool, but so is the HP.

And yes umustbekiddin, the HP comes with 802.11n as well as Verizon and Sprint broadband options.
arationalmind
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:16:58 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
lol... No, I don't work for lenovo. And I don't own a X61 either. Yes, I'm thinking of getting a tablet... and I have done a lot of reading and most probably it will be X61 as nothing comes close at this time!. And the thoughts you had about me, were my exact same thoughts about the person who had written that review... seemed like a HP propagenda of strategically putting out good reviews. So whatever you blamed about me, might as well hold for the reviewer of the HP tablet.

Also to add on to your argument of smaller:
11.42x8.35x1.11 (HP) v/s 10.8x9.6x1.1 (X61) (one is slightly wider, the other is slightly deeper)
not at all a considerable difference: volume(in cubic inch): 105 v/s 114
and lighter:
3.7lbs (HP) v/s 3.77 (X61) - again not much of a difference

And thanks for letting me know that HP comes w/ 802.11n (this particular model on HP website doesn't state that, and also it means additional cost to $1750!)and vzn/sprint wwan options... but considering the major differences that I had mentioned in the previous post (proc, cache, hdd) and HP's specification and base cost itself, there is no way one cannot justify this form factor laptop even if one disregards the asthetics part!

lol... arationalmind doesn't seem that rational after all or are we dealing w/ another HP interest vested person!
umustbekiddin
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:40:48 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
The great thing about this tablet is that it is an exact replica of Tohsiba R400. Even better, its price range is half of R400. Since the machine uses the ULV CPU, the 2017p user can always squeeze out more juice and expose to less heat. From the look of the review, the machine is quite durable. By the way I broke my R400 a month ago. It is really nice HP has a new tablet PC like this and I really appreciate their efforts and especially Sierra's review :)

Willy
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:00:20 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
ok guys, I'm going to nip this in the bud right now.

If any of our guest writers worked for the company in which they were posting a review for, it would clearly be noted on the article. Secondly, we wouldn't allow that kind of review to be posted on our site anyway. Third, accusing someone of something of which you have no proof is slanderous and will not be tolerated on this site.

Any further comments like the above will be removed by me immediately.

If you disagree with something the reviewer is saying, we welcome your comments and criticisms. Just remember there are REAL people on the other side of these posts and you should always strive to write them like that person was standing right in front of you.

Rob Bushway
Managing Editor
GottaBeMobile.com
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:34:38 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
hey umustbekiddin, how about this arrangement, you go and get a 2710p, and I'll exchange my x60t SXGA+ with you at no extra cost! Given the fact that Lenovo takes forever to deliver their orders, this is a fair deal, isn't it?

-- Just a poor Thinkpad keyboard victim still looking to sell his x60t
alanine
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:43:17 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
The dimensions and weights you quoted for the Lenovo are for the 4 cell battery, not the more common and much more useful 8 cell that everyone seems to be buying.

With the 8 cell battery the Lenovo weighs in at 4.5lbs. With AC brick it comes to about 5.2 lbs of total weight. If you add the extended capacity battery to the bottom of the Lenovo you will add another .82lbs for a 4 cell 1.95 Amp/hr battery. Brings the total travel weight of the Lenovo to 6 lbs. I haven't been able to locate the actual dimensions of the lenovo with the 8 cell battery installed.

The HP starts out at 3.7lbs with a 6 cell battery. The HP extended battery adds 1.24lbs of weight for a 6 cell 4.2 Amp/hr battery. Add the power brick at .62 lbs and your total travel weight is 5.56 lbs.

Given the power saving features of the HP, the battery life with the extended battery should be exceptional.

After much research, I just purchased a 2710p with the extended battery. It is due to arrive tomorrow and I will be posting my thoughts on it here. My decision came down to the X61 or the 2710. I have no brand loyalty and price wasn't an issue. I am a business power user who travels weekly. My decision to go with the 2710 over the Lenovo was based on the following:

1) ULV CPU (Power Saving)
2) LED Backlit Screen (Power Saving)
3) Extended Battery Implementation (More powerful, didn't increase the footprint of the device)
4) HP docking technology (much more bullet proof than Lenovo's. Read the forums about the Lenovo's undocking issues)
5) Reliability - While the HP is too new to evaluate, it does not implement Intel's Turbo Memory technology which appears to be causing quite a few BSOD's and other stability problems. This is a real concern for me. I hate nothing more than my computer locking up while I'm trying to get work done. There are lots of forum posts out there about stability issues with the Lenovo.

As to asthetics, to each his own. I don't really care what it looks like as long as it's not some garish color that wouldn't be appropriate in a business setting.

This will be the third tablet I've owned. I was an early believer in tablet based computing and purchased an HP TC1000 when tablet PC's first made their debut. I threw that underpowered unstable piece of junk away after a few months of frustration. Switched to an Acer C110 and used it for several years before my use case changed to needing a standard notebook. Now I'm on the road again and looking for a small, light weight tablet with lots of run time. I think the HP will fit the bill for me.

IF the HP doesn't cut it I will give it to one of my employees and get the Lenovo.

At the end of the day, I just want it to work.
arationalmind
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:50:30 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I applogize to both umustbekiddin and Rob for my negative comments.

This is an excellent site with top notch information. I've been a daily reader for a long time and will to continue to be.
arationalmind
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:57:56 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
One other thing that steered me away from the Lenovo was the long lead times people are reporting.

I ordered the 2710p one week ago. It shipped from CDW yesterday and according to UPS will be in my hands tomorrow morning.

I didn't want to wait for an indeterminate amount of time to get the tablet.
arationalmind
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:59:33 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Thanks to those with the kind comments. I'm far from an HP devotee, let alone an HP employee! I currently own HP, Motion, and Fujitsu Tablet PCs and I've use nearly all the brands at one time or another.

I do really like this system. For me and my needs, it works really well. I also own an X60 regular laptop(not Tablet PC) and I don't really like it. To each his own. I need a system that is stable, reasonably fast, feels good in my hands as a Tablet PC and still works well as a clamshell. Portability and battery life are key characteristics for me. The 2710p meets my needs very well and I look forward to using it for many months. (I do know me - as nice as this system is, I'll still have gadget lust in about 8-12 months!)
Sierra
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:40:12 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Arationalmind - if you liked your Acer C110, I bet you'll like the 2710p. The C110 was my first Tablet PC and I still have it around somewhere. The 2710p isn't quite as small, but it's just as usable.
Sierra
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:53:39 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
To All,

I really do appreciate the civil tenor and rational discussion of pro's and con's of various systems maintained by the GBM team. I also appreciate the efforts of people like Sierra to bring us their honest assessment of new systems, without which we would be on our own. Thanks to you all and keep the news; good, bad and never ugly coming.
harv
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:59:56 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Are the manufacturers really listening to what we are asking for? Feels like we are being 'played'? I wonder if NEC was payed off to stay out of the market(just a thought)?

One of these days, I will upgrade from my M200 brick. Don't get me wrong it is an amazing machine, how do I move forward and not backwards from an M200? Is the HP and X61 significantly lighter and thinner?

This is a very old article but take a look at the tablet pc! Sniff sniff, NEC where are you, what really happened?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshb/171629299/
"The screen is huge and gorgeous. It felt about a third as thick and a third as light as the Motion LE1600, and made the HP TC1100 tablet PC they had on display next to it look and feel like an absolute brick."
Jas
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:21:11 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Wow, I just checked the warranty on this tablet parts and labor for 3 years!! That's pretty impressive...I think this is pulling me away from my Fujitsu.
Jimmy
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50:22 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I tried out one of the NEC VersaPro systems. Although the size and weight were great, it felt a bit flimsy. It was the first time that it ever crossed my mind that something could be too light for its size. The VersaPro felt like maybe they went a bit TOO light and it wasn't very strong. A nice aluminum plate would have helped. :)

That said, I'd still absolutely LOVE for someone else to come out with a good 10" Tablet PC. I miss that size.
Sierra
Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:38:17 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Couldn't stop laughing had to post.

alanine: is the funniest.
User1(umustbekiddin) says A(X61T) is better than B(HP).
User2(arationalmind) says B(HP) is better than A(X61T).
I understand till here as everyone has its own preference.

But a User3 (alanine) comes backs and says to User1, if you think A is better than B, then why don't you buy B for me and exchange it with me for C(X60T - which happens to be previous version of A and also much cheaper in cost as compared to both A and B)!!! woowww... someone need logic classes.


couldntstoplaughing
Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:13:36 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I have been using TC1100 for few years now and really like(d) my tablet. It is getting pretty slow now with all the updates to the OS and Programs.
Is there actually a direct real speed comparison of two systems like X61 and 2710p which use different processors?
I don't want to get into something underpowered to begin with. Vista is asking for way more juice and all future Program updates from MS or anyone else are also going to ask for a larger share of the resources. Finding your tablet beginning to straggle after installing couple of service packs for Vista or the next version of Office or whatever else you use for your daily fix… for some reason doesn't look very appealing.
With this in mind I actually am not ready to consider even the X61 which still uses only a 1.6MHZ processor while their notebook counterparts use better chips, never even mind the 2710p which has even lower specs. Sure there are some weight savings with the HP but it is not like it weighs half of X61 or lasts twice as long to be really ecstatic about it.
...but then again I don't have neither and am still strolling along (drooling slightly) over the xp61 and the 2710p typing this on my TC1100
Am I too far of base here and x61 would be actually so much faster than my HP1100 that it would be like day and night?
Mikhail
Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:56:31 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Reviewers, please keep in mind that the speed experience from a fresh OS is not typically maintained after useful applications are installed. If my M200 had a fresh install I would guess that it would run certain tasks significantly faster.
Jas
Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:56:32 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I have a 2710p on order to replace my X41 tablet. For me the biggest selling point was my very positive experience with 2.5 years on an HP 1100 tablet. Was a great machine until as another poster pointed out...security and other OS and App updates exceeded it's horsepower and it just became too slow. That and my very hard usage of the poor thing finally broke the keyboard/tablet connector.

The X41 has been a good machine...not as robust of course as the X61...but again my 1100 experiences were so positive, I don't see how the 2710p cannot be another winner given the upgrades in power, and with the screen and other features. For a serious tablet user the look and feel of the writing surface is a big selling point. (at least for me) I personally strongly prefer the 1100 over the X41 and the 2710p sounds like it is yet another step ahead. Time to go check the mail again to see if it has arrived! :-)
waitingon2710p
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