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Wednesday, May 30, 2007

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Lenovo ThinkPad X61 Tablet PC in da GBM House!

- Dennis Rice

Well, I got home from a long day out on client visits, etc., and there was a box from Lenovo at my door.

Let's see here ...:

Intel Core 2 Duo L7500 1.60 ghz
2gb RAM
Hitachi TRAVELSTAR 100GB 7200RPM Hard drive
Verizon WWAN
Windows Vista Ultimate (3.0 Vista Experience Index)
Mobile Intel965 Express Chipset
MultiTouch XGA Touchscreen

Dennis is a happy boy today.  The first response is that it sure seems pretty snappy!  Let's see what happens when we load it up with a few real apps!

More later as I have a few minutes to start putting it through it's paces!



Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:48:07 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Well don't wait too long to post something more on it. Some of us are ready to order one up.
gdavis
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:23:51 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Awesome, maybe you can post some side by side benchmark comparisons. Not that it'll really make a difference on my buying intention...

I just hope Dell doesn't come out with a tablet that has discrete graphics and a webcam. That would be terrible buyer's remorse.
krypticide
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:49:09 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Yes! This may be my first tablet, so I'm looking forward to hearing about it.
Joviqueza
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:51:27 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Will you be getting a HP Compaq 2710p in the near future to compare to the X61?
Austin
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:10:34 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
The Compaq 2710p has a 1.8" hard drive and ultra-low voltage processor which means it'll be SLOW. Even then it will be the same weight as the X61 Tablet (3.7 lbs). For performance, build quality and reliability I would go with a Thinkpad.
yggdrasil
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:11:58 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I don't think I'll need too much processor speed for what I'll be using it for (digital painting and web browsing). I'm more concerned with the screen...I want to know if HP's LED backlit screen is brighter than the Lenovo screen. I also like the widescreen on the HP. The hard drive was a concern, but then I figured I could probably replace it with 1.8inch flash drive at the same or higher GBs by next year, and I've read that flash drives are supposed to be faster than all current platter drives. It's definitely between the X61 and the 2710p for me....I'm sure whatever the GBM say about them in their reviews will decide for me.
Austin
Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:42:34 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Any news on whether the faster processors will be available?
MM
Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:04:34 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Hey I've noticed the Lenovo site has all the blurb talking about the X61 but the actual prices and product specs look to be for the X60. I can't wait for a report on this Dennis - ordering as soon as I can :)
Brad Aurisch
Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:07:53 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Quickly:

- I will run some benchmarks against the X60 I have, probably CrystalMark, but will be a few days
- Austin: HP 2710 is a target for us, but HP is NOT cooperating with us on eval units so far
- MM: Which processers are you referring to specifically?

Have spent a while this morning setting this machine up, and so far it is going very well. Until I get real apps loaded and use it day to day it is hard to say it is X times faster, but we'll see.
Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:29:01 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Hi Dennis, do you have the Turbo memory in your demo X61?

As I just commented in Warner's more recent post, I don't think (sadly) you can have both!
Toby Brown
Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:30:16 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
[oops]..that is both WWAN and Turbo memory!
Toby Brown
Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:44:15 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Nope -- no Turbo memory here. You are correct, you can have one or the other, and I chose the WWAN since I am a man on the move!

Warner should be getting one soon, and I believe he is getting the SXGA+ with Turbo memory so we can report on both!
Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:49:25 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Does it feels lighter than an M200 and is it thinner?
I have an M200 and want to get excited.

Jas
Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:20:05 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I was wondering if the faster T7300 (2.0GHz) and T7500 (2.2GHz)will be available. I think I read elsewhere that they will be available on the non tablet version.

Thanks
MM
Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:26:45 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Jas: Yes, the X60/X61 is lighter and thinner, but slightly deeper (with extended battery). I believe either Warner or myself did a side by side comparions in one of our InkShow reviews. Do a search on X60 and M200 on our site and you will see lots of comparison information!

MM: We have not heard anything about that processor being available on the tablet. We will certainly post it if we do!
Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:04:09 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
MM: Check the later post from this morning as it spells out the processor options. They are the L7300 at 1.4GHz and the L7500 at 1.6GHz.

Jas: I never once felt like my M200 was too heavy or bulky until I got my hands on an X60. The difference is remarkable even with the extended battery.
Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:57:09 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Very interesting reading.

Last friday I received a Fujitsu T4215, and looks like it is loaded similar to the X61, ... I think.
It has a T7200 @ 2.00GHz CPU, 997 Mhz - 1 GB RAM, Intel 945 Express Chipset Family that can access 128 MB of RAM. Graphics mode: 1024x768
WinXP Tablet-2005, I am not sold on Vista yet.

The idea was to replace the M205 with the T4215. NOT!

The T4215 runs faster, has a brighter screen, exactly the same size +/- 0.1 inch, great looking brushed aluminun that I really like. Flush screen with the bezel (same as the M205). Screen rotates either way, I really like this.

BUT,

I use the Tablet to run a 3D modeler, Inventor by AutoDesk.
The M205 has an nVidia video card with 32MB of RAM, and it spins assemblies slightly faster than the T4215. On the T4215 when I rotate a big assembly parts of the assembly are not diplayed until I stop spinning it. I believe this is an issue with Inventor. Very annoying.

And the 1024x768 resolution of the T4215 just doesn't cut it for me. After using 1400x1050 for 3 years, I am not going to 1024x768. Specially with the graphics while running Inventor.

Just a couple of thoughts on the newer hardware available.


Erich Koch
Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:09:04 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Dennis,

Quick question, does the evaluation unit of the ThinkPad X61 tablet still have firewire IEEE 1394? I've looked at all the reviews, the leaked information, and anything I can find on the Lenovo site and nothing mentions the 1394 port. This would be a big loss for me since the only other way to get 1394 in that machine would be via the PC Card slot and it only has one of those.

Also, there is a lot of confusion about the screen. The webpage indicates that the High Resolution SXGA+ screen isn't available for the X61 tablet, but instead the SuperView indoor/outdoor high resolution SXGA+ is available on select models. I've already placed my order for the X61 tablet with the SXGA screen (website has a typo and the + was missing) and there are reports of people who have called Lenovo and were told that the SuperView display wasn't available yet. If that's the case, then that would lead me to believe that maybe Lenovo is offering the standard SXGA+ and the SuperView SXGA+ screens? Can you please confirm with your sources?

I'm asking all of this because new brochures and the tabook.pdf file hasn't been updated yet. Thanks in advance.
Madcow101333
Friday, June 01, 2007 6:52:04 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
yes, the 1394 Firewire port is still there. The machine ports, etc. are identical to the X60, other thaqn the absence of the IBM logo.

I'll ping our sources on the screen options.
Friday, June 01, 2007 11:52:54 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
There is no infrared port on the X61 tablet.
JJM02
Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:22:39 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Dennis,

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear that the 1394 port is still there, that would have been a big step backwards. Here's to hoping that all the SXGA+ screens are the new SuperView.
madcow101333
Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:23:54 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Dennis,

I've tried for two days now to confirm that the X61 Tablet has an SXGA+ SuperView screen, but nobody at Lenovo can verify that for me. This is a show-stopper for me, as I plan to use it outdoors almost as much as indoors. I'm ready to pull the trigger on an order, but I will wait as long as needed to ensure it truly is SuperView. Do you have any strings you could pull to get that question answered?

Having said all that, I was ready to buy the Multi-Touch version before SuperView was even announced. In your opinion, is the improvement in outdoor readability worth losing the Multi-Touch technology?
Blake
Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:46:42 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I'm thinking about ordering the ThinkPad X60 Tablet Sleeve to go with my new X61 Tablet, but I'm concerned about the compatibility. I've heard that the fingerprint reader may have moved on the X61, and I'm not sure about the ports. The Lenovo website describes the X60 Tablet Sleeve as "Quick convenience - Use your tablet notebook, fingerprint reader, and access ports while it is in the sleeve".

Does the X61 reconfiguration pose a problem with the design of the X60 Tablet Sleeve?

Also, I've read that the new tablets could be configured with a 64 bit version of Windows Vista. I don't see that as an option during the configuration, and Lenovo's sales staff suggested that it couldn't be done. Any ideas?
Blake
Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:39:23 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Blake,

This is what I know today. There has been some confusion about the Superview screen to this point with apparently some mistakes on the lenovo website or with sales information. Superview will be available, but it appears it is not as of yet.

I just received an evaluation x61 for review and all of the ports and fingerprint reader are located the same as the x60 so the sleeve should work just fine.

As to an opinion on outdoor view ability vs. Super View that is very much dependent on your needs. If you spend as much time outdoors as you say you will I'd look at the Super View very closely.
Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:04:50 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Okay, our contact at Lenovo has confirmed that the Superview SXGA+ screen is the ONLY SXGA+ screen offered on the X61. Just to clarify wht Superview actually is, I found this from a Lenovo press release:

"With SuperView, a direct bonding technology in SXGA+ resolution screens, users experience lower reflectivity than similar panel technologies for excellent readability outdoors, even in direct sunlight. The technology helps prevent scratching, making the Tablet PC extremely durable under harsh conditions."

So it is not touch, it is the SXGA+ screen with outdoor enhancements and a more scratch resistant surface.

I have some new "press specs" I just got from Lenovo that I will try and get posted up soon..
Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:16:40 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Since Lenovo doesn't show ANY SXGA+ screens on their configuration page, will I actually get the SuperView SXGA+ screen if I pick the option below?

12.1" MultiView WVA SXGA TFT and Intel® Coreā„¢ 2 Duo L7500 LV [add $50.00] [New]

My understanding is that it will still support the active digitizer pen, but it won't be "fingertip" capable, i.e. "MultiTouch".

I also understand the SuperView SXGA+ screen to have a resolution of 1400x1050 pixels per the tech specs section of their website which shows "SuperView 12.1" SXGA+ (1400x1050) TFT".

Let me know if you agree with the above comments...I'm standing by ready to order! Too bad they don't take a few minutes to update their website and clarify this once and for all. Thanks for all your help Dennis!
Blake
Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:23:14 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Warner - thanks for the info on the tablet sleeve. Do you find the sleeve useful, or is it cumbersome?

Based on what I've read, I think the SuperView will be worth waiting for if it's not already available (which I still don't really know). I will spend most of my time in the cockpit of an aircraft, using the tablet for navigation purposes. As nice as it would be to use my finger for interaction, I think the SuperView ranks higher on the priority list.

Thanks to all for the feedback. When you believe you've got credible information from Lenovo regarding the availability of SuperView, I would certainly appreciate your post.
Blake
Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:40:24 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Blake,

Re: Tablet sleeve. I'm sorry I can't offer you first hand experience there as I've never used one and don't really have a need to in my work. You might want to post a query about this in our forums and see if you can get some hands on responses.
Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:55:00 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Blake,

Sleeve update: I will get with Dennis next week when I get back to town and try my Lenovo X60 sleeve in the X61 to verify that there are no issues. Sorry we can't get back to you sooner on that as I have the sleeve with me here in Ft. Lauderdale, FL and won't get back until next Sunday. Maybe you can shame Dennis into sending me the X61 for some "real time" classroom tablet testing with the sleeve! :)

I won't hold my breath waiting on an X61 to show up here. As Warner pointed out, hopefully you can get a quicker response from a forum post.
Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:21:17 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Thanks Warner & Eddie. I look forward to hearing your response about the X61 in an X60 sleeve next week. I'll hit the forums and see if I can find anyone with experience, though I can't imagine that many people would have tested it yet.

Eddie, generally speaking, do you like the sleeve and find it usable tablet mode?
Blake
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