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Friday, May 04, 2007

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Microsoft, lets start an open conversation on Vista and battery life

- Rob Bushway

Last Saturday, I posted my "I miss the Wow" article with the intent to address "elephant in the room" issues that can help the Tablet PC industry find its groove again. I'm serious when I say I miss the Wow, and its clear from the comments and feedback received that I'm not alone. I obviously touched on a passionate issue that has been laying dormant in people's hearts and minds for a while. I hope OEMs, ISVs, and Microsoft are reading the comments in that post and in Warner's marketing article.

Over the next several months, I plan on taking the issues I raised and addressing each with its own focus with the end goal of bringing about positive change in the space. The first issue I'd like to focus on is battery life and Vista.

One of the most common complaints about Vista and Mobile PCs is the big drop in battery life. We are seeing and hearing reports of 15% - 30% drop in battery performance, which is driving many people to buy extended batteries as their standard battery now. Users with mobile pcs that don’t support extended batteries are up the creek without a paddle. Tom Krazit of CNET News.com picked up on my comments in this article just posted today, reaffirming what we are seeing: battery life under Vista is frustrating many mobile users.

When Vista was marketed, it was touted as being a better solution for mobile pc users than XP. There are certainly improvements in Vista to help mobile users, with one of the best being, ironically, the custom power management control panel. In addition, there is also the Windows Mobility Center that be accessed with the Windows Key + X, that lets the user control brightness, sound, battery schemes, wireless, and more.

On April 1, I jokingly posted that a Vista Battery Patch was finally available and called the patch the "Mobile PC Battery Patch that Should Have Been in Vista system", and noted that it brought battery life back up to par with what Mobile PC users experienced in XP. While it was a joke, many people gravitated toward it and thought it was real, which shows that people genuinely expect such a patch. The April Fools post was also a tongue-in-cheek attempt at telling Microsoft that they need to seriously look at this issue.

Well, enough jokes. It is time to have a serious open conversation with Microsoft about what is going on with Vista and battery life. Microsoft, what can users do with their battery schemes to get performance back to what it was with XP without killing overall CPU performance? Are there BIOS issues that OEMs need to implement? Are there service pack fixes in the works to address this issue? Are we doomed to this kind of battery life from now on? I certainly hope not. Talk to us openly and tell us what is going on.

Along those lines, what can we as mobile users give you in terms of raw data, battery scheme settings, cpu configurations, hard drive speeds, ram, etc to help collect as much data to accurately nail this problem and work toward some fixes and recommendations. The status quo isn’t going to cut it and we want to be an active part of helping you solve this problem for us.

Microsoft, please feel free to comment here, or on your own blogs, so we can dialogue this issue together in an open fashion. Lets involve the larger mobile pc community in this conversation to help bring about genuine change and a more positive mobile experience for Vista users.

UPDATE:

Brandon Paddock, who works on Search tech for Microsoft, is chiming in on the conversation:
http://brandonlive.com/2007/05/04/vista-battery-life-error-in-cnet-article/

 



Friday, May 04, 2007 10:07:23 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Until this past weekend I had 2 mobile PCs running Vista, now I'm back to XP. My main issue that drove me to go back to XP was battery life! All the other little quirks I could live with but I need my batteries to last the day. Even with an extra standard battery I come up short. Used to be most days I worked the whole day on one battery and a little of another if I was very busy. I could never get the 2 batteries to last the day and then to top it off last week my one TPC stopped wanting to charge even when plugged in with only 20% of the battery left. No problems since I went back to XP. I'm not giving up on Vista but I am putting it on the shelf until SP1.
Northern Rebel
Friday, May 04, 2007 10:41:41 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I've got my express upgrade to Vista setting on the shelf waiting for installation on my M285. However, I'm getting such awesome battery life with the 12-cell primary and 6-cell modular combo (way over 8 hours), that I'm not going to upgrade until its mandated by my boss or Microsoft addresses the power consumption issue. I've been recommending that we stay with XP on our other laptops for the same reason.
Big Wes
Friday, May 04, 2007 10:53:48 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Great article Rob! Hopefully Microsoft will respond with something.
Michael Venini
Friday, May 04, 2007 11:05:59 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
what can we do? buy a Mac; eriuosly!
everbrave
Friday, May 04, 2007 11:25:12 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
What timing! Acer's already issued a response:
Acer: No Major Laptop Battery Improvement Coming
Friday, May 04, 2007 11:47:32 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
well, here is what I found. Vista comes with a Battery Saving Profile, with that profile I was getting less batter life than when a profile created by Samsung called Optimized profile.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/483199957_ce893db9d0_o.jpg
Friday, May 04, 2007 1:32:43 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
This is really just a variation on a theme. MS has _never_ been motivated to make their products efficient either in CPU utilization or in memory. In fact, it's just the opposite. The faster they force users to buy new machines, the more money they make. Slow apps and full discs drive new machine sales. New machines bring new OS sales and new Office sales and are the main revenue source for the company. Sloppy code, sloppy memory usage, and -- now -- excessive power consumption are both cheaper on the development side and enhancement on the revenue side. (Did I hear someone say "dot net?")

My bet is that MS's response to this problem is simply to say that it will go away as users move to the newer Intel processors. i.e., to new machines. I expect my P1610 Vista upgrade disc to remain sealed in its envelope for a long, long time.
Mitty
Friday, May 04, 2007 2:12:13 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Hmm that's odd. When I use R400 (preinstalled with Vista Business), the device lasts to 3 hours. However, if I "install" Vista on a new tablet then it does have lesser battery life. For example, I install Vista business on the T4215 and i see signficant battery drop and extra heat. However, I see R400 runs exceedingly well and the standard battery lasts as well as the other machine that runs on XP. I think there is a major difference between the instaled and preinstalled version.
Willy
Friday, May 04, 2007 3:13:56 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
If you are having trouble with battery life in Vista, try disabling the sidebar. It can make quite a bit of difference. I've seen multiple people confirm it to varying extents.
mazzarin
Friday, May 04, 2007 3:33:10 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Brandon Paddock, who works on the Search feature in Vista, is chiming in on the conversation:

http://brandonlive.com/2007/05/04/vista-battery-life-error-in-cnet-article/
Rob Bushway
Friday, May 04, 2007 3:49:20 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Brandon's comments are interesting, but I still don't see how OEM's are sending out machines, NOT optimized for battery life.

Will -- the R400 is a ULV processor designed from the ground up for Vista. It would be interesting to see how long it would last with Windows XP!
Friday, May 04, 2007 4:59:16 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Haha! Dennis I think you are right; R400 may run longer in XP than in Vista especially the device is ULV; of course it gonna runs 3 hours. I never think of that. But it is just difficult for me to switch back to XP once I am on Vista. The OS is simply superior in many respects. I think the Mac Book Pro also share the bane of battery consumption and most of its machines could not last long. So friends let's enjoy the new OS and pray for the battery manufacturers so that they can invent new battery power :)
Willy
Friday, May 04, 2007 8:17:41 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I installed Vista Thursday and got drivers for my internal WiFi adapter today. I saw that Intel has a page linked from their release notes detailing what to change the Vista Wireless power settings to: http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/CS-024509.htm
Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:40:09 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
If its the Vista Sidebar causing the drain then MS really screwed it up. Since I went back to XP I put the Google Desktop and sidebar on and I still get much better battery life than with Vista.
Northern Rebel
Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:43:01 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Well it's not only the sidebar, the sidebar is just one of a couple changes you can do to improve battery life. That is simply the only one I have done besides modifying the indexing settings.

If you're really scrapping for more battery life, go into the power plan options and turn down your wireless power usage from 'Maximum Performance' to one of the 'Power Saving' settings. This should return a decent amount of battery life to you, depending on which level of Power Savings you have chosen.

Also, you can change your indexing modes to only index while on AC power. This might not have very much effect at all, though it might help if you do a lot of inking in OneNote or it may have some effect on other applications...

And then of course, this one can stretch your battery out much longer, set your laptop to hibernate instead of sleep when closing the lid.
mazzarin
Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:59:20 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I don't know what's causing the battery drain. Yes, it's the Aero interface and I can say it has a huge affect. I have a TC4400 with the ultra extended battery (advertised 16+ hours), we call know it's probably around 14-15 actual. Well I did get those numbers when I was on Tablet XP. When I upgraded to Vista it went down to 8 hours!

I was like, "what the heck!" Nevertheless, I turned off Aero, ran it for a few days and now it fluctuates around 10-12 hours.

Turn Aero on after a week and it's back to 7-8 hours. So yes, in the most simple form of testing this, I did see drops between Aero on and OFF.
nutsnbolts
Sunday, May 06, 2007 11:00:17 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Turn off Aero automatically when on battery - nice little program

http://betterthaneveryone.com/?p=517
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