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Monday, June 11, 2007

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Samsung Q1 Ultra UMPC InkShow

- Dennis Rice

Well, as promised, here is my InkShow review of the Samsung Q1 Ultra UMPC.  I spent a LOT of time on this machine, and attempted to answer as many of the questions I could folks posed on it, but there were so many I am sure I missed a few.  I would like to have more time, but alas all the other GBM team members are wanting their time with this eval unit as well!

The Samsung Q1 Ultra was first announced this year at CEBIT in Germany, and there has been quite a high level of anticipation on this machine, which has just now began shipping to end users.  The model of Q1 I received was the Q1U-V model, which is the earliest model to ship.  It comes with an 800 Mhz Intel A110 UMPC processor, 1gb RAM, and a 60gb 4200 RPM disk.  Pre-installed is Vista Home Premium. 

image[6] The Samsung press materials indicated the following models available (some coming soon) of the Q1 Ultra:

1. Q1U-V - A fully featured 800mhz launch model with a retail of $1,199.00  (reviewed here), with Vista Home Premium
2. Q1U-XP - An 800mhz business (?) model with the Windows XP OS with a retail of $1,149.00
3. Q1U-CMV - An 800mhz HSDPA cellular enabled broadband model retailing at $1,499.00, with Vista Home Premium
4. Q1U-EL - A "back to school" model will be introduced at $799 with a 600mhz processor and Vista Home Premium

Here is a quick rundown on what I covered in the InkShow:

General comments

  • Physical Walkaround on the Q1 Ultra hardware
  • Some real-time application load times, including video and audio
  • A quick look at the internal 1.3 megapixel / 300 pixel camera / webcam
  • A comparison look at the Samsung Q1 Ultra vs. the Samsung Q1P UMPC.  Which machine got a CrystalMark benchmark score of  13,000, and which one got 16,000?  
  • A quick keyboard and text entry experiment
  • Inking on the Q1 Ultra -- my comments on ink and touch

Machine specs (as tested):

  • Genuine Windows® Vista™ Home Premium
  • Display: 7" WSVGA touch screen (300 nits, 1024 x 600)
  • Hard drive - 60gb 4200 RPM
  • Processor: New Intel Ultra Mobile Processor A110 (800 MHz)
  • Battery: Li-Ion (Prismatic) 4 cell (over 4.5 hrs)
  • Two Stereo Speakers (4w total)
  • Integrated split-QWERTY keyboard
  • Dual cameras (video chat-300P, video/still-1.3MP)
  • Integrated mouse/joystick

    My conclusions?  Well..., performance with the 800mhz processor under Vista was a major negative for me.  There was not a consistent snappy feel to things, and I never seemed to know when that "drag" would appear.  I like the look and feel of the machine in my hands, but there are a few "gotchas" in there that make this not a machine I will want to insert into my tech arsenal.  You'll have to watch the show to find out more!  It is a nice machine that I am quite sure will have a loyal following, especially with those who have already integrated a UMPC into their lives. These machine are expected to show up in retail at places like Best Buy, Costco, etc...

    Just as a quick note, the video is a little dark in the beginning because of focusing the camera on the really bright screen.  Hope you enjoy the show.

    Watch or download the High Res version  (45:19 minutes, 356mb, Windows Media streaming or direct download)

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  • 6/11/2007 2:13 PM MST  

    Samsung Q1 Ultra UMPC InkShow     Comments [30]  |  Digg This |  del.icio.us |  Citations 
    Monday, June 11, 2007 3:20:40 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Hi! Very nice video. Thank you very much for the work you have done! Greetz Phil
    Monday, June 11, 2007 3:32:25 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Thanks for the video. Very informative. Seemed like you were coming from a "glass is half empty" perspective and were a bit surprised when the machine performed a little better than you expected.
    Greg Jackson
    Monday, June 11, 2007 4:02:59 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Long awaited. Very welcome. Well done!
    Monday, June 11, 2007 4:20:08 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Hi Dennis

    Enjoyed that (even though my wife is complaining about q1 screen brightness as she tries to sleep next to me.)
    I have a number of notes that ive made. will write them up tomorrow but i too got the impression it performed better than you vocalized. 2.0 experience score is good for a umpc!

    Til tomorrow.Steve
    Monday, June 11, 2007 4:21:40 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Thanks for the comments. It was a fun machine.

    Well, I really did not have a "cup half empty" attitude, but do admit I was a bit taken aback b y the performance issues. In the video itself, it did not appear too bad, but the first hour I spent with it was pretty disappointing. After a couple things were run and cached, it got better, but still not optimum for me. It definitely needs some tweaks to be workable. If you notice, I did NOT load multiple apps at one time at all, it was just painful to do so for me. Installing apps also seem to take a long time, I am assuming due to a slow 4200 RPM drive.

    I was quite excited about the keyboard and mosue cursor control, but both were a little lacking for me. I am not a good example though, because I use so many different machines that I never seem to settle down and learn one really well! :)

    It was not what I would call a bad experience with a UMPC. I have had much worse. It also was not a perfect experience either, but I can see how it would fit the bill for some people very nicely. It is a nice piece of electronics.
    Monday, June 11, 2007 4:31:59 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Hmm... thank you for the post but this is a very ugly piece of equipment. I certainly won't bring that to school and to my works....
    Willy
    Monday, June 11, 2007 4:33:09 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Understood Steve. I agree that 2.0 may be a good UMPC Vista score, but that does not necessarily make it a good score overall :)

    Is it acceptable? Probably -- to some who will run single and generally small apps. We need the technology to continue to build as it has, and get better processors and graphics. When I see a UMPC scream, I will be shouting with joy, but I have yet to see that. It will be a big day for me!

    There were other things like the cursor keys not rotating with the screen, etc., that just left me slightly disappointed, but overall, I really think it is a nicely built machine. The screen is awesome. I am not going to have it long enough to do any real battery tests, so it will be good to see those come out as people get some time with them as well.

    Looking forward to your reviews also Steve! Be sure to talk about that vectoring issue! :)
    Monday, June 11, 2007 5:55:21 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Dennis, thanks for going through the trouble of doing a video. It turned out great and I liked it a lot! I'm very enthusiastic about the Q1U and am now a little disappointed to see that you don't seem to like it very much as I think it will be nearly perfect for me. I've played with a Q1 (no b or p) running XP and I found it quite snappy. After seeing your video I'm afraid that speed indeed could be an issue with the new model.

    Do you still have the machine? If so, could you attempt to do a clean install of Vista to eliminate all the crapware that was installed on it? Maybe the response times would be a little better then...? Also, does the Q1U have the same small secondary stand (10 degrees I believe) the Q1 has?

    Thanks a lot!
    Andreas
    Monday, June 11, 2007 6:03:46 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Enjoyed the review. Your test confirmed my fears that the keyboard is pretty useless.

    As I have an OQO 02 on order, in your opinion did the OQO run faster?
    scoobie
    Monday, June 11, 2007 6:39:59 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Nice job, Dennis. One observation I would make is to turn off the touch enhancements, i. e. that useless virtual mouse. I disable that on all touch devices as it makes no sense to me to click on something from the side of the object when without it you can just tap the item. That is one of those things that looked good on paper. :) Having played with many, many mobile PCs I have to say that the performance was pretty snappy in the video. Your point that you only ran one app at a time was well taken but the fact of life with mobile PCs is you cannot load up a bunch of running apps. These battery friendly processors just cannot handle them.
    Monday, June 11, 2007 6:51:00 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    One other thing- to avoid the two-handed special key operation on the thumbboard go to accessibility options and turn on sticky keys.
    Monday, June 11, 2007 7:16:32 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Well, I will say the same about this that I have said on just about every piece of equipment I have ever used. Just because it is not for me, does not automatically say it will not work for you! :)

    Willy: I would most definitely not describe this as "ugly" :). I really did not do any level of "tweaking", as we try and stay pretty close to factory installs, but I believe the machine could be faster. It is a nice UMPC, just not for me.

    Scoobie: I am not sure everyone would define the keyboard as "useless". I had a Treo 650, and now a MotoQ, and have had a number of people define my phone keyboard as useless as well. I do not find it so. However, on a UMPC, I would look for a couple more keys, and a slightly better experience. It will happen.

    James: I personally like the virtual mouse when I am not using the stylus. It does at times get confusing on exactly where to touch the stylus if using it though. Good suggestion on the sticky keys, but there really should be a way to do that on the keyboard itself. Even my Treo and MotoQ had that ability. Also, the absence of a backlight for the keys is not good. It renders the keyboard useless in the dark. I agree on the multiple app comment though. Unless it is a lite app, two do not play well together, especially if you do not have performance all the way up, a common practice on mobile devices to save battery..

    Thanks for all the comments folks -- keep them coming!
    Monday, June 11, 2007 7:17:13 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    performance doesn't look that bad to me, considering it is a 800 mhz machine. that said, I'm glad I bought an OQO instead. I couldn't live with that keyboard, and would prefer integrated wwan, and an active digtizer, plus double the speed.

    the oqo keyboard was great to use, with its dedicated number keys, back lighting, and easy to press keys.
    Monday, June 11, 2007 7:36:14 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Opps.

    Missed your question Sccobie.

    The OQO was MUCH faster. Even with multiuple apps the OQO was faster. Better keyboard, inking was great, etc.

    But -- it is 2-3 times as expensive, so I would expect all that.....

    Now when we get an OQO for $1,200 -- I will be excited! :)
    Monday, June 11, 2007 7:53:23 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Dennis,

    Nice review, Im curious if this can fit in inside jacket pocket at all. I know it will be a bit big but wondered if possible?
    scott
    Monday, June 11, 2007 10:28:00 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Thanks for the excellent review. I understand where you're coming from. It's one thing to be patient and selective in what/when you run programs, but to be actually worried about very basic multi-tasking is another thing entirely. I have a P1610 and while it's certainly limited in what it can manage, it's way more capable that what I saw in your demo.

    What bummed me out the most was the poor video performance. While I don't expect to edit feature length films on UMPCs I do expect to watch a short clip without processor-induced jump cuts. ;)

    I do appreciate the review though... thorough, clear, and quite fair.
    Jamie Poster
    Monday, June 11, 2007 10:57:33 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to wait for the Menlow platform. This is a huge disappointment for me since I was ready and willing to purchase the Q1 Ultra. Ctitanic has been vindicated!
    Manny
    Monday, June 11, 2007 11:31:37 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Speaking about sticky keys, you can actually activate it directly from the keyboard (at least, in xp) by pressing the shift key several (5) times quickly. Just a note.
    Seni
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:13:23 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    As I commented earlier, great ink show.
    I made a lot of notes which i've expanded out into a post at UMPCportal.
    My notes here

    http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=686

    Steve.
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:33:27 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Dennis, I just checked my tests of the Amtek T770 (1.2 GHz) which use a VIA C7M and the numbers I get there are about the same I have seen from A110 devices. So if you ask me, there is not difference between buying any second generation machine with an A110 or with VIA C7M unless you care too much about Aero (this is the only difference).

    And if you ask me, I have seen really good designs in UMPCs using VIA C7M lately, like the Medion, the same OQO 02, etc.
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:59:40 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Dennis I need to apologize to you. I quote a comment at Origami Project where what I saw written initially was: Dennis is a very well known person in the Tablet PC community. I clicked on Quote, and I did not read the quote again because I assumed it was what I read. So I added. I 100% agreed with you for the first time. Now I came back to find that what the guy was actually saying is what he said, which is not what I think about you.

    Sorry, Sorry, Sorry. I do not find any other way to say how bad I feel!
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:13:31 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Sorry Dennis, sorry! I apologize 1000 times if I have. I never have felt so bad in my whole live. I posted about your review at my blog and as you can see there I was 100% agree and happy with your review!

    Sorry
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:01:04 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Like I said publicly over at Origami Project, apology accepted. I know it was an honest slip of the clicker, and not an intentional slight!

    Nuff said!
    Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:13:13 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Dennis:
    If you saw my last post on ultramobilegeek.com, I am using this video as a kind of benchmark of the new Intel chips and so far I am not impressed. While passing this around, do you intend to have a GBM staff member turn off transparency and effects and try video playback and Origami Experience with those CPU hogs disabled?

    JKK commented that it would be a good idea to tweak out Vista and see what works.
    Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:59:08 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Thanks for the video. I enjoyed the details and would have liked more about inking and whatever you were saying with respect to "vectoring" being displayed in the video. Inking is a very important component for devices like this.

    Also, I think the stripped down version has been "reinvisioned" from what you have on the homepage as:

    "4. Q1U-EL - A "back to school" model will be introduced at $799 with a 600mhz processor and Vista Home Premium "

    My understanding is that the processor has been upgraded to 800MHz and the price increased. I would have preferred an XP-Tablet version with the 600MHz processor at the $799 price. I think hobbling an underpowered UMPC with Vista is a tragic mistake.
    Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:28:59 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    I don't understand why I cannot get this ink show downloaded. I have been able to download all others in a reasonable time frame. But this one is inordinately slow at downloading. Best I can do after running the download a while is getting estimates of 2-3 hours. I have always been able to download even the long inkshows in more like 30-45 minutes. Any suggestions or problem solving or anything different about this one? Any lower resolution downloads available?
    Jim
    Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:01:34 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Well, because of it's length and resolution, this is a larger file, around 356mb. You may just have to wait it out. Can you stream it by just clicking the link? There should be no technical reason why you cannot download it other than pure size. What kind of connection are you on?
    Friday, June 15, 2007 7:58:45 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    I am using a dsl connection. I guess I will just have to wait it out sometime when I don't need the internet connection.
    Jim
    Monday, June 25, 2007 1:38:40 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    Thank you for the detailed video review!

    I am very interested in this model for two purposes -

    * a travel computer, where we can store and organize photos, access media, stay in touch via email, voice and video chat, and especially access mapping tools such as Google Earth

    * a conversation computer, which can be used while talking, it is not as obtrusive as a notebook but can be used to quickly look things up and remember things (using audio, video, notes, etc). I think the built in keyboard is for this purpose, to allow anyone to enter URLs and keywords.

    I really appreciated the overview of loading different apps, but I would *really* *really* appreciate it if you could try out Google Earth. This would be a killer app for a device like this, with a bluetooth GPS device or standalone it would be incredibly useful. But it is a network, memory, cpu and 3d intensive app. Would love to see how it performs in moving around the earth, zooming, etc with different options.

    Can you also comment further on the camera quality. I have been disappointed what I've read so far - why is the Apple Macbook camera soooo good, yet these are soooooooo bad? I'd use a 'real' camera for important pics and video, but it's nice to make quick caps while using the computer or video conferencing, if the quality is sufficient.

    I understand the camera settings can be tweaked, can you get a decent image or video quality out of it?

    Can it record 30fps at a decent resolution?

    Can you quickly record video without fiddling inside the app? (I realize an aftermarket app can be used).

    With regards to performance using Crystal Marks, if that application uses full screen, the different is very likely related to display resolution, as the Ultra has nearly twice as many pixels to move around.

    Thank you very much!

    David



    Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:35:58 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
    I am also having trouble getting the video to load. I am on roadrunner and all other links are working. I even went directly to lipsyn to play it. Could you check to see if it is a problem on their end. Thank you.
    Tony
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