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Wednesday, October 17, 2007

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Shame on CrunchGear

- Rob Bushway

I can't believe what I just read. CrunchGear.com, a supposedly reputable tech reporting site, is telling folks how they can get Leopard for $40: The writer, Vincent Veneziani, recounts how he did just that: lie by getting a student to buy it for him, then split the license with a friend ( ie piracy ). An article endorsing fraud and piracy. It is unbelievable and unthinkable that a news reporting site would suggest to their readers that they commit fraud and piracy.

If this is the kind of writing CrunchGear and TechCrunch endorses, I'm unsubscribing from them.

Here is the writer's word for word, just in case it gets pulled:

Last night, I remembered something that you will no doubt thank me for later. When Mac OS X Tiger came out a few years ago, I was ready to buy it. I had my $130 in hand and was waiting in line. But as I approached the cash register, I ran into a coworker I knew and he told me that the University of Pennsylvania’s bookstore, which was right down the block, was selling copies to students for only $40.00. Being the cheapskate I am, I dropped the box I was holding and we headed out.

Sure enough, upon arrival at the bookstore, OS X Tiger was only $40.00. Neither of us went to UPenn, so we grabbed some dorky kid walking past us and asked him to buy it for us. He did, my coworker and I split a copy and I get Mac OS X Tiger for $20. So, if you have a college bookstore near you, I suggest taking a peak in there. You may find incredible discounts when Leopard comes out, you may not. It’s up to you to seek out the hot deals near you!

Editor’s Note: It’s worth mentioning that it was only the UPenn bookstore that was offering the OS for $40. Everywhere else, it was regular academic price. This is no different than you getting a hookup from your buddy at Best Buy or any other retailer. If you had a friend at UPenn, were broke and could get OS X for $40, you’re telling me you wouldn’t ask him/her to pick up a copy for you? Puh-lease.



10/17/2007 3:28 PM MST  

Shame on CrunchGear     Comments [12]  |  Digg This |  del.icio.us |  Citations 
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:53:02 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
If the writer of that article had attended UPenn, then "peek" may have been used instead of "peak". Depending on the age of "some dorky kid", additional laws may have been broken (e.g., enlisting a minor to commit fraud, etc.)
SamCal
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:22:15 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Shame on them indeed. I'm going to reblog this shameful bit of news in case it gets pulled from there and here.
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:01:25 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Uh, you guys used to allow OSX porting to x86 discussions freely here, which not only endorsed software piracy by collusion it also endorsed violating Apple's crystal clear DMCA protection against reverse engineering their properties. Nothing could misinterpret the EULA preventing OSX ever running on non-Apple hardware. Yet, less than six months ago GBM linked youtube videos gleefully showing off some UMPC running OSX. Exactly when does GBM go from "wink, nod" to indignation? It seems based by personal gate keeping rules I have yet understood. I emailed Rob these same questions six months ago and never receiving a response figured no one wants to get dirty hands.
bmhome1
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:29:00 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Oh my gosh! Last week I saw a elderly lady jay walking too. I think she was a church goer as well. What is this world coming too.

You have a nice blog here but maybe you should think through in detail what stands you want to make before posting so negatively over a blog entry such as this one. Personally I have never been a fan of educational discounts anyway. To single out a group that supposedly are the only ones poor enough and capable enough to have cheap software has always struck me as wrong. You call it fraud I call it striking back at price fixing.
maddog
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:37:49 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
To bmhome1 and maddog, put down the bongs for a second. There's a huge difference between reverse engineering something for your personal use and stealing software. Yes, they are both wrong. EULA's are agreements that you accept in order to use the software and violating the EULA is wrong. I totally agree there. But it's a different kind of wrong.

Lying in order to get a dirt cheap copy of software (and worse, publicly recommending that others do it as well) is nothing less than theft. I'm so sick of these "boo hoo I'm so broke" hippies that think the web and software should be free. The people that write the software do it for a living. It's not just some hobby, and the whole idea that everything can be free if we just sell advertising doesn't work if the people buying ads are getting ripped off.

If I was a TechCrunch or CrunchGear reader, I'd unsubscribe too.

Oh and maddog, I don't know why you think that students are singled out for cheap software. What about third world countries, non-profits, and developers? It's just alot harder to pretend to be one of those.
Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:56:37 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
bmhome:

I don't recall the specific issue that you are referring. If I didn't respond to you, I apologize. It wasn't out of ignoring the issue, I can assure.

Assuming you are talking about people installing OS X on UMPCs, it likely didn't raise a big red flag for me because I saw it as folks experimenting with their own machines and licenses of the software they purchased with their Mac to see how the Intel switchup could possibly mean for the future. Could it have violated Apple's EULA? Possibly. I would never condone folks taking that OS and imaging mass amounts of computers - that is stealing. I will say that I know something is terribly wrong when I see it and such is the case with the CrunchGear article. A clear violation of ethics. We can all get EULA's out and analyze them

The situations are not equal, at least in my eyes, and the eyes of lots of CrunchGear readers - a reputable site is condoning piracy ( 2 for 1?? ) because a person too cheap to buy his own license, and basically says it is ok for others to do the same. Regardless of how we all might feel about the price of software ( and it is high ), developers, artists, companies deserve to be paid for their work. Just because a persons want a piece of software and but doesn't want to pay the asking price, doesn't give that person the right to find a way to defraud the company in a multiple ways.
Rob
Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:25:21 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
Just to clarify a little bit, as the lawyer inside me tries not to do too much, the DMCA actually expressly provides an exception for the reverse engineering of copyrighted works for the purpose of interoperability with other programs, the development of tools to achieve this end, and the right to share said work product for similar purposes. 17 U.S.C. 1201(f).

Just my two cents, but I think the forum discussions don't run afoul of the DMCA, and in fact, are expressly allowed under the law as it currently exists.
travis
Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:47:05 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
As if any x86 OSX hacker actually ever bought $130 retail install disks, no they first STOLE as torrent copy, THEN hacked away. THEN hosted and downloaded by thousands, hardly "personal use." It's disingenuous to assume hackers bought any Apple software.

Disdain for piracy by degree is hypocritical selecting changing price tag to rage over and "bong" dismiss piracy "harmless" here, actually that Apple legal tigers DID voraciously pursue with takedown assualts.

They won't pay any attention to some sophomoric fool's price scam boast. (hasn't he revealed being imbecile prior?) They don't find OSX on x86 newsworthy or cute, it's piracy no less evil than keygens to Adobe. It's time to stop rationalizations otherwise.

Piracy as news, chronicled or linked has none here. I just wish the zero tolerance policy was either revised or followed uniformly.

If that's bong talk, stop bringing filled with cheap-ass skunk.
bmhome1
Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:43:18 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
40 $, THE RIGHT PRICE !

Not agree with the method described in Crunchgear Blog...

But open your eyes !

To be honest: 40 $ would be the right price for Apple OSX or Windows XP / Vista.... The best way to stop the international fraud around OS.

Why Linux 0$, OSX 129 $ and Vista equal or more ?

The gap between those is not really justified, specially for Microsoft which is really hard to evit when you want to buy a PC from Toshiba, HP, Gateway, Acer... A free Linux shoud be intalled first on every PC with a multi-boot for those who want to pay for OSX or Vista. More simple than to fight with the CLUF when you don't need of Vista on a new PC with it on... Make a test !

We need a revolution in commercial pratices ! 2 OS on each PC to sell - Ubuntu / Vista for exemple - and you pay for the second after 8 days of discovery only if you need it. Not when you get the PC, like an unavoidable Microsoft tax.....


(I post the same on Crunchgear)...
Duc de Grenouille
Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:58:39 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
I went ballistic -- offline, fortunately, for GBM readers -- when MS announced that insane price break for students buying Office. A case could be made that selling $400 software for 1/10th the price for "students" smacks of ageism. Imagine if MS only offered a discount to members of a mosque or to journalists -- a legitimate argument could me made by MS that such a discount serves folks, but another argument could be made that it's total BS, and discriminatory.

It also tells me that MS is cranking in profits of nearly 4000% every time they move a unit. Pardon me if I don't shed a tear if folks are ripping them off occasionally.
Chris Paris
Friday, October 19, 2007 2:52:29 AM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
What? "4000% every time they move a unit"?? Based on two individual prices without regard to quantities, marginal profits/costs, etc??? Wow. Just imagine how much it would make if they lowered the price (say, for journalists and mosques) to just $.01 per copy! Heck, now I am thinking that Microsoft should give it away FREE so it could brag about infinite profit...

Ageism? Ummm...everyone has an age. That discount is for students - of any age.
SamCal
Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:04:15 PM (Mountain Daylight Time, UTC-06:00)
As an update, here is the OSX86 community openly discussing utter theft of two day old Leopard via bit torrents, and how inconvenient the popularity has slowed down the stealing of 7GB. I dare anyone to ever again plead "personal use" as justification for criminal activity identical to cracking Vista activation:

http://forum.osx86scene.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2008&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
bmhome1
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