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Thread: (EPOS) DaneElec Z-Pen

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    Okay, keep in mind I ama total newbie to inking, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHolman


    When you get the pen, start a new topic and tell us how it works. I am excited about the Livescribe Pulse pen, but I would like to hear more about this EPOS pen.
    Since you asked for it, here's my best shot...

    I received the Dane Elec Z-Pen that I ordered from Samy's Camera sooner than they promised (a California to Kentucky shipment). It was packaged very well, in a huge box with plenty of packing peanuts, and it arrived safe and sound.

    It came with two replaceable (not rechargable) watch batteries for the Z-Pen, a receiver unit with internal rechargable battery, and a short usb extension cable.

    I'd hoped to try it out during a meeting that night, but I couldn't even tell which direction the batteries went in the pen (it did not come with any printed instuctions), so I popped the flash drive into my desktop at home to see which way the batteries went into the pen and I read in the manual that the receiver had to be charged for 16 hours before its first use. So I did not get to try it out during that meeting.

    I did bring it with me to work this morning and I was very pleased with some of the things I was worried about. For example, when I use handwriting recognition on my PPC6700, I can't go back and change words after I wirte them, but you can with the Z-Pen, just like a regular pen. It does not have an eraser function, but you can go back and add in omitted letters anywhere on the page (just not previous pages). You can go back up and highlight items on the same page with underling, stars, asterics, whatever you want and that works just fine.

    I am less pleased with the software that came bundled with the device. The viewer (which stays on the flash drive so you can use it on any machine anywhere) will only let you export to pdf. Below is a sample of what it exported to pdf and what I subsequently converted to jpg (using Adobe Acrobat). The stars, arrows, underling, and check mark were all added after I finished writing everything else.
    The file that was originally created was a .ELI format. To convert to typewritten text, the program they include is called MyScript Notes, and it must be loaded onto each machine that uses it. Without any training, here is how MyScript Notes translated my chicken scratch above:


    * Okay, Let's see if this works. r<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />
    -> Today is Feb. 11,2008. I am testing my Dane E/e.
    2- Pen for the first time. It writes in blue ball point ink. I am useeo using a wide-ruled legal pad.

    * Okay, let's see if this works in cursive handwriting, too. today is let. 92008.
    I am testing the Denae flee 2-pen for the frsti
    e- > time. Nonu dam going to go back up to something I have written previously on this page and highlighted with stars and sustain.

    Okay how does underling underlining work?
    to

    It works slightly better when set in graphics and text mode. I have never used a Tablet PC before and I have never investigated other current handwriting recognition options, so I do not know what other things could convert a .eli to editable typewritten text. The MyScript Notes software will export to MS Word, as plain text, or as plain text directly into the body of an e-mail. It also allows you to edit the handwritten text a little bit before conversion.

    I have not tested the NoteSearch software yet.

    You can buy replacement batteries for the pen. You charge the receiver via a USB port only. The receiver has 1gbstorage onthe flash drive. The little note above is a 153 KB .eli and the pdf version of it is 64KB.

    More info is available at http://www.danedigital.com/UserFiles/Zpen-english(1).pdf



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    This is very interesting, Mannie, thanks for posting. The handwriting recognition doesn't seem great, but the inking itself looks really nice. I tend to leave things in ink a lot of the time, especially for personal notes. You mentioned training the handwriting recognition. I'd be interested in seeing how much the recognition improves when you've had a chance to do some training with it. So far, I'm moderately impressed!

    Sharon

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    Great! Very intresting! thanks for info and link

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    Manny, after you posted about finding it at Samy's, I also ordered it, and have been playing a bit. I too am wondering whether there is better recognition software. I don't have a tablet PC, nor Vista, so I don't have any machines with OS support.

    Does anyone know of any other recognition software that matches the abilities of OneNote on XP Tablet? The latter seemed pretty good, even with my chicken scratch, when I played with it on an OQO.

    Manny -- one other thing -- I had a couple weird things happen:

    1. at least once, the pen didn't seem to recognize a change in page of paper, and so it wrote my second page right over my first

    2. at least once, the inking seemed to go off a bit as I got close to the bottom of the page


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    I seem to remember in the manual for the EPOS prmotional sample that I have that they mentioned a place on microsoft.com where anyone could download the recognition bits for Windows XP and therefore use XP Tablet Edition recognition on the ink. When I go home I'll check out the manual and see if I see anything.
    I'm also planning on doing the InkShow on the EPOS this week now that the Wacom InkShow is posted.
    <font color=BLUE><font size=\"3\">Sierra Modro</font></font>
    <font size=\"1\">Current Tablet PCs: HP 2710p, Fujitsu P1610, HP TC1100, Motion M1300
    Retired Tablet PCs: Acer C110, Fujitsu ST5022, Motion LS800</font>

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    Hmm. This looks promising. Thanks sierra!

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en


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    Looks like one needs to install this first. Slightly easier to install from IE than from Firefox...

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en


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    Okay, I've installed the Tablet features and OneNote. Now need to figure out how to get OneNote to understand the .eli files, or otherwise convert. Maybe use MyScript to convert?

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    Well, OneNote can definitely do recognition now. But I still can't figure out how to get my Zpen ink into it. Nothing in the manuals or menus in either the viewer or MyScript Notes gives me any hope. I have written to EPOS to see if they have any options.

    Sierra -- you said that EPOS mentioned the Microsoft software -- do they say how to get their ink into it?
    Edited by: kevinsneel

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    Unfortunately, I have not been able to figure out how
    to convert the files, and I have emailed and called (twice) to Dane
    Elec's US representative, and emailed EPOS, with no response.


    If I can't make any progress here, I may have to return this. Too bad.

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